2PP007 – 19 May 2009

2pp_album_art_110x1101.jpgWe begin with Jason’s special days, but today’s episode is mostly a discussion with our first guest, Peter (aka epilonious). We look at civility on the Internet, the origins and implications of the lack of civility. It’s a wide-ranging discussion, and other political issues come up, too, including how to deal with religious arguments. We wrap up with our advice and strategies for avoiding “uncivility wars” on the Internet.

After the discussion, we have comments on our previous episode. That raises topics we discuss. Join the discussion! Please leave a comment, or you can send an email to arthur[at)2political.com or jason{at]2political.com, or you can ring the US-based 2Political Comment line on 206-426-0527.

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4 Responses to 2PP007 – 19 May 2009

  1. Roger Green says:

    Arthur and Jason – There are liberal theologians out there; some of them are even alive. I’ve read Marcus Borg.
    The problem is that not that they challenge the right; it’s that they’re not as well known for whatever reason.

    There is Biblical basis for much of the right’s positions; it’s just selective. “Thou shalt not kill” informs the abortion debate. (Some Catholics at least are consistent on this – opposing not abortion but the death penalty, war, et al). But trying to have a ratiional conversation about abortion is extremely difficult. God knows Obama tried at Notre Dame.

    And while I’ll freelty debate Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses coming to my door, and I protested the nut job coming my town a few weeks ago, it just gets EXHAUSTING after a while.

    As for online comments, some people will take just about anything to make their point. Springsteen came to town, and someone took the opportunity to knock not only Bruce’s politics but Sean Penn’s, Barbra Streisand’s and John Mellencamp’s.

  2. Tim Corrimal says:

    Hey Arthur and Jason,
    Loved the latest show with Peter. I have to say that I feel the same way about comments. I’ve basically stopped putting videos on YouTube because of the crazy people that just leave the nastiest comments about how I am an abomination to society (for being gay) when it was just a stupid video of my life like going to eat at a restaurant with my partner.

  3. LordByronIL says:

    Good discussion!
    Reminds me of a friend who in the mid-late 70s had a ‘bulletin board’ to which a very obnoxious hater showed up. The way he solved the ‘problem’ of bad manners and disruption (after a number of direct messages to the offender) was to created a separate ‘page’ just for that user to which he would be directed upon logon. The owners would use different screen names to ‘respond’ occasionally to his rants but the majority of the board users had a much more pleasant time. I suppose that was before software was available to detect ‘phishing.’
    Thanks to Epilonius, too!

  4. Faethe says:

    About places where people discuss random politics and stuff

    http://bannination.com

    Most people there have been banned from other boards like Fark. No one gets banned. People do get chased off. There are no moderators. You can vote posts up and down. A post gets enough downvotes it gets zapped. If something is illegal, it gets zapped pretty fast. No one person can zap anyone else. It takes a village 🙂

    Works so far. I’ve been on there since 2007. And yeah, you get a better reflection of how people are if they know they aren’t going to be banned because the mods don’t like them. There are internecine struggles now and then. People do whine a lot. Overall it’s much more civilized than most other boards. It can get nasty, though.

    In general, the way the unofficial rules have sorted themselves out are pretty simple. If you troll, troll well. It is not nice to stalk people – especially girls. If you do, the forum turns into a sausage fest and no one likes that. Calling people racial epithets is bad form, most especially if you are not dating them. It is rude to ridicule someone’s gender orientation unless it’s funny. Cat pictures are good. Pictures that break international law or cause people to barf are not. Whining about people you don’t like is boring.

    There’s probably more. You can use profanity there all you want in as many different languages you want. You can also screen it with sfw filters so you don’t get grief at work.

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